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littleroads
08-08-2009, 07:18 PM
So earlier in the week, I noticed Rody Jane would limp a little bit after she'd get up from laying down. OK, so she's 5-1/2 years old with a bum leg, maybe she's got a little arthritis. Yesterday, she's more than limping. Yup, same leg she had cruciate surgery on back in February. Today - NO WEIGHT ON THAT LEG AT ALL...none, zip, nada...so here we go again...

When she had the surgery, I asked the vet what the odds were of her injuring that same leg (or the other one). Vet said only about 10% of his patients had a recurrence. At the time I had a very fleeting thought rush through my brain - "perish the thought, but she is a cattledog, she'll probably be back."

I'm calling first thing Monday morning to get her in for an exam as soon as possible. In the meantime, I had some Rimadyl left, thank goodness.

Bentleys please, for my little Stinkwad. And for me too - another 3 months of keeping her quiet?? Ugh...
:(

Bluerules
08-08-2009, 07:37 PM
oh no!! three bentlys lit super bright for you and your stinkwad!!!

Dominique
08-08-2009, 07:38 PM
I'm not sure who to feel worse for you or her if she has to have another 3 months of crate rest. Hope all is well and she will be ok.

competitivek9s
08-08-2009, 07:39 PM
I hate crate rest, here's to hoping you don't have to go through that again!:(

KAKZooKpr
08-08-2009, 07:57 PM
Oh no!! :( Bentley lit that she did NOT reinjure that leg. I feel sorry for both of you. Maybe she only tweaked it a little and will feel better in a couple of days.

Kristina

Belgrael
08-08-2009, 08:02 PM
Oh damn Eileen! That would be horrid, for both of you, if she has reinjured it. I am keeping everything crossed that it's nothing serious and she's just tweaked it :(

2speckledblue
08-08-2009, 08:05 PM
Maybe Rody Jane's just being super sensitive about that leg since it was injured before. I'll rub Bentleys that whatever bothering her is not very serious. Good grief!!!!

lauralu
08-08-2009, 08:37 PM
YIKES!!! I knew that the odds were good for them to injure the OTHER leg, I think it's like 60 %, but the same one? Did she have TPLO? I thought it was near impossible with TPLO.

In any case Bentleys lit!!!!

littleroads
08-08-2009, 09:30 PM
She had extracapsular repair.

Linda Watkins
08-08-2009, 11:09 PM
Oh geeze Eileen -- hope she's just being sensitive -- bentleys and fingers/paws crossed from Oregon. (and from Joanne too -- she's not online for a couple of days, but if she was I know she'd be saying that)

3blues
08-09-2009, 12:55 AM
Oh NO not again!!!O.O Bentleys on high for your little stinkwad that she just tweaked it. Everything crossed for a good outcome. ;)

jrmgreer
08-09-2009, 09:01 AM
Awwww man!!! Bentleys lit here... hoping for good news for you and your stinkwad...

Brunella
08-09-2009, 09:19 AM
Bentleys in NJ Ei (and for now at least that = 3 Bentleys). Hoping you BOTH are saved from any addt'l pain. (I feel for ya!)

littleroads
08-09-2009, 10:39 AM
WHAT THE....?????

I gave her a Rimadyl late yesterday morning, and another before bed. This morning she gets up with NO LIMP WHATSOEVER. None. Zip. Nada. Not a trace. Full weight on the leg, used it to "scrape" after she pee'd, was able to stand up and peek out the kitchen door at a passing dog-walker this morning... She's FINE. So is it possible something slipped out of place for a day or two? I'm not that familiar with dog anatomy. Luxating patella? Can this happen with a knee that's had surgery?

lauralu
08-09-2009, 11:27 AM
WOOO! Thank dog! Maybe she just pulled something out of place. Dogs can do that just like we can! Or look at her nails.

Yesterday Lance was walking on three legs, would not put his leg down for anything. Once I made sure there was nothing stuck in his paw, me being paranoid of torn ACL...I immediately assumed that was it and started freaking out! But then Eric realized he had split a nail, I didn't even think to look there. He is fine today.

lucystrauss
08-09-2009, 11:37 AM
Very strange! I'm glad she seems to be ok though. Maybe it would be a good idea to limit her activity a bit over the next few days, just in case it is bothering her a bit?

My male lab used to limp to get attention. Then I'd say "Does Bailey have a sore leg?" and he'd limp even more! Silly dogs :)

Anyway, fingers crossed that it was just a false alarm!! I've been through that surgery before with my other lab, so I know how much of a pain it is!

Brunella
08-09-2009, 11:52 AM
Whew (actually the little stinkwad responded to the extra Bentley here in NJ ^^)

She could've twisted something or pulled something. Ding is always doing something dopey that has us worried only for it to be nothing (except for the many times that it IS something and then she ends up in bandages).

Split nails are often a culprit and not the first thing we'd look for.

I'd just watch her for now.

Dominique
08-09-2009, 01:08 PM
I know it can with humans mine pops our some times and has me wondering if I need to go back to the ortho then it seems to pop back in and I am fine. Weather change does this more often than not.

LittleRedDogB&C
08-09-2009, 01:44 PM
I know it can with humans mine pops our some times and has me wondering if I need to go back to the ortho then it seems to pop back in and I am fine. Weather change does this more often than not.
I know what you mean! I have a sublixation of the patella ( the ligaments in my knee don't work right and it dislocates about every 2 weeks). I have a knee brace w/ me just about all the time. anyway tell her to lay down and pat her head and give her cookies.:lol:

littleroads
08-09-2009, 01:47 PM
(actually the little stinkwad responded to the extra Bentley here in NJ ^^)

I am QUITE SURE that is the case.


tell her to lay down and pat her head and give her cookies.:lol:

Oh yeah, that's already been done!

nschiro
08-09-2009, 05:52 PM
I have a sublixation of the patella

Ugh! Me too! I have had 2 separate incidents over the last several years that debilitated me for 6 weeks each. And there is nothing they can really do for it. What a pain.

I, too, am hyperparanoid about cruciate injuries since my now deceased shep x had a full rupture that could not be surgically corrected due to her cancer. Pawsom has come up lame a few times (different legs) before and my vet each time thinks it's soft tissue injury. Rimadyl and a week of rest seems to cure it. She could not feel any laxity in her knee joints and no drawer motion or swelling. If it ever does actually end up being a cruciate, we will be doing a TPLO.

Good luck! Limping pooches are no fun!

Nicole

Beth99
08-10-2009, 12:26 AM
So happy she seems to be doing better today!!!

Bentley's glowing that there will be no more problems with her leg. :)

Bluerules
08-10-2009, 12:31 AM
WHAT THE....?????

I gave her a Rimadyl late yesterday morning, and another before bed. This morning she gets up with NO LIMP WHATSOEVER. None. Zip. Nada. Not a trace. Full weight on the leg, used it to "scrape" after she pee'd, was able to stand up and peek out the kitchen door at a passing dog-walker this morning... She's FINE. So is it possible something slipped out of place for a day or two? I'm not that familiar with dog anatomy. Luxating patella? Can this happen with a knee that's had surgery?
I TOLD YA BENTLEYS WORK!!:D I know it's soo bizzar when they do stuff like that!! Sandy's neck still remains a mistory!! she re injuryed it and within two days she was 100% that's from her not being able to walk two feet.. it's mind boggling

3blues
08-10-2009, 01:09 AM
So glad the bentleys worked along with mama's love. :D Hope she just twisted it or slept on it wrong. Just watch her for a few days. :)

littleroads
08-10-2009, 12:56 PM
She was fine all day yesterday except for a very slight limp when she got up from laying down last nite. Was fine this morning. Just to be on the safe side, she has a checkup appt. at the vet's on Thursday night.

YogiBear
08-10-2009, 02:04 PM
Seems like she'll be ok. Sending 3 bentleys and 12 crossed paws to insure a continued recovery. Mrs YB

Belgrael
08-10-2009, 04:11 PM
Phew Ei! What a relief. So glad she is doing better. These mysterious ailments keep us on our toes don't they?
Chip is limping too after doing something to his back leg or foot last night. I am waiting for daylight so I can get a good look at it.

Miss Marlie
08-11-2009, 01:02 AM
I feel your pain both Kate and Lola have had both cruciates done. But last Sept. Lola injuried her right leg again and because she runs hard being cattledog the vet did not advise another cruciate surgery. So, off to a specialist (I can't remember the name of the surgery) but bone is cut. But I have to say that I am very happy with the outcome. Lola is doing very well. She runs and does all the things she loves to do and has not limped once.

Marlynn and my girls Kate and Lola

littleroads
08-13-2009, 11:15 AM
I think it is the TPLO you are talking about; twice as expensive as the extracapsular... :(

She wasn't putting any weight on it again yesterday...

Miss Marlie
08-13-2009, 01:19 PM
All said and done that surgery for Lola was close to 2,ooo but I would do it again for her and her sister.

Marlynn and my girls Kate and Lola

littleroads
08-14-2009, 12:35 AM
Well, Miss Roads went to the vet tonite. She has some "significant arthritis" in the joint on her bad leg, and the vet felt that either it is inflammation there, or she tore the suture from the surgery. He has her on Rimadyl for 3 weeks - if little or no improvement after one week, she will have to go back to the vet who did the surgery - they would sedate her and he would do a better check on her as it's hard to do when they are awake and nervous about the exam as she was tonite. If she is much improved, we do a liver/kidney check in 3 weeks, and if it is OK, we put her on a low dose of Rimadyl, probably for a long time.

Rody Jane is young (5 years), so I'm a bit worried that she has arthritis so bad already (I have it too, so I know how painful it can be). I'm also worried about long-term use of Rimadyl. I've had great recommendations on Phycox on another list I'm on, so I bought some for our golden retriever (hip dysplasia). If it works well on him, I'll check with the vet and see if she could take it instead of the Rimadyl. Someone also had said that the FDA was considering making the Phycox a prescription-only supplement, and then someone else said that the ingredients in it are all natural, and as such should not be made a prescription...so I'll have to do some more checking on that. Any of our vet techs have more info on that?

She's getting an Omega 3-6-9 tablet every day, and I'll be starting her on glucosamine also. Geez, I do need a second job, just for dog meds...*sigh*

Belgrael
08-14-2009, 01:17 AM
Oh Ei, that is a bummer. I know what it's like having a dog on meds from a young age (Chip is on Thyroxine 1 1/2 tabs twice a day - costing me $33 AUD each month) but at least he is not in any physical discomfort with his disorder.
I'm sorry for Rody Jane :( Would you please give her a big hug from me and tell her she has to give you a kiss from me too!
Hoping the vet approves the change to the homeopathic meds and that it stays prescription-free! Let us know how she goes.

Mel2001
08-14-2009, 09:33 AM
Pepper, our 11 yr old GSP, has arthritis in his middle disk of his spine. We've had him on Metacam for about 6 weeks now. It doesn't have the best record for long-term use either, but it makes Pep feel "peppy" again every day. And, since he's so old, we decided to let him feel good again in his golden year(s) v. the side effects of long-term use.

Pepper *loves* taking his Metacam each morning, and runs around like a puppy afterward. We love our old man dog!

littleroads
08-14-2009, 09:56 AM
Metacam may be an option too, we used that on Deener-Dog for the last 5 years of her life (she lived to age 17), with no side effects. It'll just be a matter of finding out what works best for her. The little stinkwad seemed to be much improved this morning already.

But then, she is a cattledog. Partly.

Bluerules
08-14-2009, 01:41 PM
Well, Miss Roads went to the vet tonite. She has some "significant arthritis" in the joint on her bad leg, and the vet felt that either it is inflammation there, or she tore the suture from the surgery. He has her on Rimadyl for 3 weeks - if little or no improvement after one week, she will have to go back to the vet who did the surgery - they would sedate her and he would do a better check on her as it's hard to do when they are awake and nervous about the exam as she was tonite. If she is much improved, we do a liver/kidney check in 3 weeks, and if it is OK, we put her on a low dose of Rimadyl, probably for a long time.

Rody Jane is young (5 years), so I'm a bit worried that she has arthritis so bad already (I have it too, so I know how painful it can be). I'm also worried about long-term use of Rimadyl. I've had great recommendations on Phycox on another list I'm on, so I bought some for our golden retriever (hip dysplasia). If it works well on him, I'll check with the vet and see if she could take it instead of the Rimadyl. Someone also had said that the FDA was considering making the Phycox a prescription-only supplement, and then someone else said that the ingredients in it are all natural, and as such should not be made a prescription...so I'll have to do some more checking on that. Any of our vet techs have more info on that?

She's getting an Omega 3-6-9 tablet every day, and I'll be starting her on glucosamine also. Geez, I do need a second job, just for dog meds...*sigh*
Oh poo :( it sucks she has arthritis at such a young age but it's not that un common at least she doesn't need another surgery! sorry I don't have more advice.. I have no experince here. Is Phycox and Rimadyl better then Metacam? one vet told me Metacam could be used for the dogs whole life but another told me not to use it for more then 4 days at a time

littleroads
08-18-2009, 05:14 PM
Update:

Well, not much of an update, really. Miss Roads been taking Rimadyl daily, and little to no improvement. I have til Thursday til I have to call the vet back.

Beth99
08-18-2009, 06:48 PM
Metacam may be an option too, we used that on Deener-Dog for the last 5 years of her life (she lived to age 17), with no side effects. It'll just be a matter of finding out what works best for her. The little stinkwad seemed to be much improved this morning already.

But then, she is a cattledog. Partly.

I would definitely ask your vet about Metacam. I've had great luck with the it, gave it daily to Denny with no side effects, it helped his arthritic hip and back a lot. After he was on it a little while, I was able to reduce the dose to 1/2 and it still kept him comfortable.

I am now giving it to Cody for his knees, he's only 7, but started being really crippled at night after working the cows. I started with a full 70# dose (Cody weights 73 pounds), 3 days a week the morning he was going to be working. I've now got him on a 40# dose 3x week and he is doing awesome, no soreness at all, he's sound.

Rimadyl scares me a little, my only experience with it was not a good one. A few years ago, a past foster dog (boston terrier) was put on it by her owner's vet, the dog died a year later of liver failure. She had a healthy liver before she went on it, so I'm assuming it as the Rimadyl, she was not and old dog.

littleroads
08-18-2009, 07:11 PM
If I need to keep her on meds, I would definitely see about switching to the Metacam. It worked really well for Deener. What I am worried about is whether she tore the sutures in that ligament...she was pretty good for the first night, but after that - limping again, or not using that leg at all at times.
:(

KAKZooKpr
08-18-2009, 07:27 PM
Poor little girl! Sorry she isn't feeling better. Would Tramadol be an option? It is a pain reliever (narcotic), but does not have anti-inflammatory properties. It also has much less chance of stomach upsets than Rimadyl, Metacam or Deramaxx. I used Tramadol with some of my senior kids and they did very well on it (even those with sensitive tummies).

Kristina

littleroads
08-18-2009, 07:57 PM
Vet didn't recommend it as he wants her on an anti-inflammatory. He thinks her problem is either a flare-up, or a torn suture. Meanwhile, she's bopping around on 3 legs like there's no problem!
O.O

KAKZooKpr
08-18-2009, 08:04 PM
Vet didn't recommend it as he wants her on an anti-inflammatory. He thinks her problem is either a flare-up, or a torn suture. Meanwhile, she's bopping around on 3 legs like there's no problem!
O.O

Animals are so amazingly adaptable. I hope that Rody doesn't have to have more surgery though!

Kristina

littleroads
08-22-2009, 03:08 PM
She goes back to the surgeon for sedation and x-rays Monday morning.

Belgrael
08-22-2009, 06:01 PM
Fingers crossed Ei :(

KAKZooKpr
08-22-2009, 06:51 PM
Fingers crossed Ei :(

Here too!

Kristina

littleroads
08-25-2009, 11:15 AM
They sedated the little stinkwad and took two X-rays, which were inconclusive. Vet saw "something" on one, but it didn't show up on the 2nd one...she didn't re-tear the ACL, thank goodness. Vet said the joint is still pretty stable - not as tight as he'd like it to be, but pretty good. But, he thinks she may have torn the meniscus, which is the spongy cushion between the bones of the knee.

Options are:
1) Continuing on Rimadyl and limited activity for 3-4 weeks and rechecking
2) Consulting specialist
3) Exploratory surgery (est. $1000)

We are trying #1 first. Miss Roads is NOT HAPPY. She wants to RUN.:xx:

Belgrael
08-25-2009, 04:16 PM
Oh Ei, that sucks, but we have everything crossed that Option #1 cancels out the need for Options #2 and 3!

littleroads
09-30-2009, 11:53 AM
Miss Roads has finished off her Rimadyl and is STILL LIMPING. So - we have a consultation with the specialists on Oct. 7th.

More surgery to come...:(

dingoridge
09-30-2009, 12:13 PM
Oh, let's hope not!!! Bentley's for the Stinkwad.
J

lauralu
09-30-2009, 01:12 PM
Eileen,
have you thought of trying Cetyl-M? This has been a miracle for little arthritic Ellie Mae, also only 5 years old. I hope Miss Roads feels better soon!

http://www.kvvet.com/KVVet/productr.asp?pf_id=40848&gift=False&0=dept.asp%2Cdept_id%3D978%26menu_id%3D%26Tree%3D% 2CBone%20%26%20Joint%20Care&1=dept.asp%2Cdept_id%3D186%26menu_id%3D%26Tree%3D0 %2CJoint%20Support%20(Dogs)&HSLB=False&mscssid=588C700E5DEB4E2C81ADD195DACA30BD

littleroads
09-30-2009, 01:36 PM
They don't think it is arthritis - a possible meniscus tear. So that's what they're going to check on first. I'll keep the Cetyl-M in mind though in case she can use it later! Thanks Laura!

littleroads
10-07-2009, 06:52 AM
Bentleys today, please...Rody Jane, the Flying Stinkwad, is going in for her consult today at 3:00. I'm about 99% sure she'll be having surgery again, probably within the week - she's only using that leg about 50% of the time now, and when she does, it's wobbly.

So - here's hoping they find out exactly what's wrong, and get her fixed up almost good as new. The Bentleys are for me - another 6 weeks of inactivity...ugh...
:xx:

Dominique
10-07-2009, 06:56 AM
:bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley:and leo's faux one:bentley:

RedDirtRoad
10-07-2009, 10:39 AM
:bentley::bentley: Good luck, I hope she'll be just fine and very soon!

littleroads
10-07-2009, 07:11 PM
Well.

Well, well, well.

The soon-to-be Bionic Dog.

She still has some instability in the knee joint, most likely a reinjury, plus arthritis. Surgeon also suspects a meniscal tear. She also has cruciate disease (arthritis and some instability) in the OTHER leg as well. Recommended TPLO, as the suture surgery did not hold well enough. $2800-$3200.
O.O

He also said odds are that she will blow out the other one within a year or two, due to the instability in that one. (Sonja, was your vet talking to mine regarding choosing an active breed??)


Originally Posted by the posse http://www.aucado.us/forums/styles/C&D%20Classic%20Green/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.aucado.us/forums/showthread.php?p=121732#post121732)
"You just HAD to get the breed that is known for tearing themselves up!" !

**************************
OK, so how do I cut Starbucks when I never drank coffee?? :(
Do I have to drink that wine you were talking about, or will Annie Greensprings work just as well?
:??:
I need to call tomorrow to schedule surgery for next week.

redcattle
10-09-2009, 04:51 AM
I hope it does not turn out to be anything serious Croydon has been doing that on and off lately some days he looks like he is limping badly but he goes for his walk no problem but after he has been lying down for a while he limps then it goes away I keep thinking he is getting arthritis and I will take him to the vet but then he has no symptoms again so I let it go but he is 7 nearly 8 so I will have to expect that he will get some arthritis in the future good luck to you though it is hard to keep them quite Croydon did break a leg when he was 1 and it was a nightmare keeping him quiet then Anne and Croydon

2speckledblue
10-09-2009, 07:10 AM
Poor Rody Jane, especially since she'll have to be inactive again while she heals. Eileen, here's consoling Bentleys for you (and Rody for her surgery).:bentley::bentley::bentley:

Bluerules
10-09-2009, 10:36 AM
That really sucks, If the previous surgery didn't do a good enough job it should be the vets fault and he would do the second for free. But only in a perfect world. Bentleys still lit for Rody Jane. Cattle Dogs may tear themselfs up but they sure are tough and adaptable!

KAKZooKpr
10-09-2009, 11:00 AM
I'm sorry for Rody Jane and for you! Bentley's lit that Rody Jane will get better soon! :bentley::bentley:

Kristina

littleroads
10-09-2009, 12:09 PM
If the previous surgery didn't do a good enough job it should be the vets fault and he would do the second for free


Nope, not the vet's fault, she is an active girl, and there is always the "chance" that the suture will not hold. They tell you that. She was doing fine for a few months, and then all of a sudden went lame again. So she had to have reinjured herself. It could happen with the TPLO too, there's always some degree of risk.

And this is a different surgery - much more complicated (involves cutting the bone), and the vet who did the extra-capsular is not certified to do a TPLO, that's why she needs to have the orthopedic surgeon do it.

mlanger
10-09-2009, 12:29 PM
:bentley::bentley::bentley:
:bentley::bentley::bentley:
Bentleys agolw for Miss Roads and you Eileen
TPLO is so much better than the suture method.
She WILL be able to run and do everything she did before.
There are dogs running in agility that have had TPLO surgery
and they are as good as new.

littleroads
10-09-2009, 02:29 PM
I think the bad leg will be made good, but I'm worried about the other one. They took x-rays of that one too, and the vet said it is deteriorating, and chances are that she will blow that one out within a year or two. Guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it... (and NO - I don't mean Rainbow Bridge!)
:xx:

Belgrael
10-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Oh crap Ei! This just sucks, on so many levels. The money, the forced inactivity, the pain she is going through, all of it.
Please keep us updated on the surgery and prospects and we will keep everything crossed here. :bentley::bentley:

littleroads
10-09-2009, 10:40 PM
She's scheduled for surgery next Friday morning. They will keep her overnite, I can pick her up on Saturday afternoon.

Brunella
10-09-2009, 11:03 PM
Ei -- We'll keep 2 Bentleys and a Honda glowing here in NJ for you and Ms. Rody Jane through this whole disaster. So sorry you're going throug this but these nutty, active cattlekids are their own worst enemies (Ding costs me on average of $1500 in ADDITIONAL medical bills every year over and above the normal stuff).

Sending love and glowing bentleys to you both!
:bentley::bentley::bentley:

FancyPantz
10-10-2009, 07:53 PM
Prayers and Bentleys for you and Rody Jane!!!!:bentley::bentley:

littleroads
10-15-2009, 01:06 PM
Well, my Formerly Flying Stinkwad is going in at 8:30 tomorrow morning. Geez, I hate to think of that pathetic little face I'm going to see when I pick her up on Saturday...I remember what she looked like last time, like, "Mom, I hurt, why did you let them do this to me?"
:(
And she's just now gotten all her fur grown back from last time too...

I've ordered her an orthopedic memory foam bed, and have Janet's information on the supplements to take along to ask the vet about tomorrow. Now I have to go and dog-proof the house - baby gates up and in working order to keep her and Allen separated, since they rough-house, move TwoLane's bed off the toddler frame onto the floor, since she likes to share and can't jump... Lift-assist harness ready to go...

Oh, and I joined the Orthodogs list too. (Like I need more e-mails to read, but I figure this is important.)

Please keep the Bentleys on high, guys...the Bionic Stinkwad and I are going to need them!

lauralu
10-15-2009, 01:51 PM
Ei, I know it is $$$ but the dogs recover much faster w/ the TPLO! Hayley had one of each type so I was able to compare. The TPLO is so worth the money!!!

The biggest problem is that they feel good so fast that they want to RUN!!! So this Bentley :bentley: is more for you than your Stinkwad who will be airborne again and good as new!!!

I took all the furniture out of the livingroom, put baby gates up and just put a futon on the floor while Hayley was recovering so we could all hang out together!

3blues
10-15-2009, 03:29 PM
Eileen I'm so sorry to hear Rody Jane is having trouble again & needs surgery. Bentleys are on full blast for your little stinkwad that she recovers quickly & this works for her. :bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley::bent ley::bentley: Hang in there & keep us informed as to how she's doing. And here's some bentleys for you. :bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley: You'll need them while she's recovering.:)

Bluerules
10-15-2009, 08:52 PM
Ahhhh 3 bentleys lit here for you and your girl!!!! :bentley::bentley::bentley:
I know it's sooo hard to leave them at the vets :cry:

dingoridge
10-15-2009, 10:22 PM
Ei, there is documented proof of more rapid healing and knitting of the bones with Recovery--I know it will benefit but want you to know whatever you decide is fine with me, do what you need to do, there is no pressure from here just thoughts and prayers for her recovery quickly; I know she will be fine again. Thinking of you, saying a prayer for all of you. Anything I can do, please let me know.
J

Mel2001
10-16-2009, 06:11 AM
:bentley: for you & the Bionic Stinkwad from SoCal!!!!

babswilde
10-16-2009, 11:58 AM
Bentleys from California for our stinkwad. She is there by now, and I'm hoping you get a happy call later today that all went well.

littleroads
10-16-2009, 05:22 PM
Vet just called, she came out of surgery just fine. Her meniscus was "shredded", and the sutures from the original extracapsular were torn. There was still instability in the knee, so we went ahead with the TPLO. Angle was too steep to do a TTA. I can go pick her up tomorrow morning.

And now begins the 12 weeks of torture. :xx:

Belgrael
10-16-2009, 05:36 PM
That's one step out of the way and I am very glad it went smoothly! As you say, now the real fun begins :pawdown::pawup:
Here's to a smooth recovery and a not too painful period of inactivity (for you Ei ;))

dingoridge
10-16-2009, 05:58 PM
Glad she is out of surgery and doing well, it looks as though this was the only way. She has started healing as of today. Day one and doing good.
J

Brunella
10-16-2009, 07:08 PM
But GOOD torture 'cause she's okay :)

3 Bentleys and a Honda glowing in NJ for both of you to retain your sanity for the next 12 week.

KAKZooKpr
10-16-2009, 07:15 PM
Ugh, 12 weeks? I am so sorry for the both of you! I am very glad the surgery went well though.

Bentley glowing for a smooth recovery! :bentley:

Kristina

littleroads
10-17-2009, 07:47 AM
I called last night about 9:30 (they are a 24-hour facility); RJ was doing well, and sound asleep. Will wait for the call this morning, and then go pick her up. I miss my baby girl!

mlanger
10-17-2009, 08:07 AM
:bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley::bent ley:

Bentleys recharged for her post surgery recovery.
Soon she will be back home. Think of the chewing pleasure she will get from her new orthopedic FOAM :pawup:bed!!!!


Mariel and Ernest go nuts for anything with foam--It must be destroyed
with little foam chunks scattered hither and yon.

Hey , why does the 6th Bently dog never come out in the post?

littleroads
10-17-2009, 08:11 AM
Yes, I thought about the FOAM part - this is actually just a memory foam topper that I bought off Overstock.com for $40 - I'm going to fold it in half and sew up a fleece or towel cover for it. She only chewed up her foam beds (FIVE of them) before she was a year old, and since then has not chewed anything up, so I'm crossing paws this will work out for her. The topper was just ordered on Wednesday though, so I haven't gotten it yet. She'll have to make do with an old comforter for a few days.

Mel2001
10-17-2009, 08:41 AM
Here's to a speedy recovery for Miss Stinkwad!!! :stinkwad2:

Dominique
10-17-2009, 09:04 AM
:bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley:and a faux one:bentley: Thae the Miss RJ has a speedy recovery.

littleroads
10-17-2009, 10:22 AM
I'm off to pick her up...:D

Brunella
10-17-2009, 11:16 AM
So happy she's on her way home! :)

BTW: LOVE Overstock.com, I buy so much household stuff from them. Smart move for the topper.

littleroads
10-17-2009, 02:31 PM
Day 1:

http://s146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/onestarfish/My%20Dog%20Pictures/Rody%20TPLO%2010-16-09/

1st pic - she is looking longingly out the window. (Once outside, she does NOT want to come back in...)

2nd pic - the "good" side of the leg, with scar from first surgery

3rd pic - the really ugly-looking wound from this one, but they always look really bad at first. The staples look fine.

She's been outside twice already, toe-touching just a bit. She does whine a little every now and then, but she's sleeping at the moment. We have Tramadol and Rimadyl, next dose 8pm tonite. She's been outside to potty twice, I can feel her tense up that she wants to RUN (aarrgghh...).

TPLO Surgery - $3250
Mac & cheese for the next 3 years - $1084
Having my girl on the mend - PRICELESS

dingoridge
10-17-2009, 02:57 PM
Hope starts feeling better soon, she needs to be spoiled rotten and I hope her pain meds help her out.
J

heeler400
10-18-2009, 02:33 AM
Good luck with it all. Brings back memories! My Holly has had TPLO surgery on both legs, so know all about the recovery ups and downs!. It is so worth it!

She went on to qualify in 3 state agility finals following recovery of her second surgery at age 7 1/2. She is now just about to turn 9 and is as fit and sassy as ever and I still give her the occasional run in agility. Amazing successful surgery!

Caroline

Holly in the finals of excellent jumping 9 months after her second surgery
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w263/heeler400/th_hollyjumpingcomp.jpg

littleroads
10-18-2009, 08:41 AM
Restless night, she was up and whining 3 times, but calmed down with some comforting & mom resting on the floor next to her.

dingoridge
10-18-2009, 08:45 AM
You may need that memory foam cover so you can snuggle with Rody Jane for a while. Hope she is beginning to feel better.
J

3blues
10-18-2009, 04:09 PM
So glad Rody Jane's surgery went well & she is now home resting. :D Yes there will be 12 weeks of her wanting to run & do stuff she can't do yet but you'll get through it. Just be patient & it will be over before you know it.

As for the mac & cheese, you can alternate it with peanut butter & jelly.:D

Miss Marlie
10-18-2009, 11:44 PM
Hi
Is Rody Jane having cruciate surgery again or a different one?

Marlynn and my girls Kate and Lola

Miss Marlie
10-18-2009, 11:50 PM
I remembered the surgery that Lola had after she torn the cruciate surgery. T.P.L surgery. Very expensive but the results are great. I would do it all over again.
Marlynn and my girls Kate and Lola

littleroads
10-19-2009, 12:25 AM
Yes, this is her 2nd cruciate surgery on the same leg. Vet said her meniscus was "shredded", and the sutures from the first one were torn.

Today was a little better, and she is pretty sound asleep right now. Hoping she makes it through most of the night tonite. She's been taking her meds like a good girl, though her appetite is still a bit off; they told me the meds might do that for a bit.

Belgrael
10-19-2009, 03:44 AM
Ei, that leg looks ouchy! :( Poor Rody Jane! Please give her a kiss from me. I am so glad she came through her surgery ok and is slowly recovering from the effects.

FancyPantz
10-19-2009, 06:25 AM
glad RJ is on the mend. I wish I could lay next to her and give her loves. She is such a sweetie. Prayers and Bentleys for you and Rody Jane.

Bluerules
10-19-2009, 08:58 AM
aww the pics are soo sad, can't wait to see the fully recovered pics! :)

littleroads
10-19-2009, 01:09 PM
She slept through the night last night - WHOOO HOOO!!!:D

fanofdmb84
10-19-2009, 01:18 PM
Glad to hear she's doing better! The site looks very typical for the TPLO--its not too bruised either, it looks good. :bentley::bentley::bentley: Now you both just have to survive the recovery period ;)

littleroads
10-27-2009, 11:52 AM
RJ's doing better - she is getting back to her little feisty stinkwad self and is refusing to take all meds, no matter WHAT I put them in. I have tried cream cheese, peanut butter, yogurt, pumpkin, cat food, and hot dogs - she carefully licks off everything around them and then PTOOEY - out comes the pill. I called the vet - he says since she is feeling better, I can quit the Rimadyl and Tramadol. But I have to use up the antibiotics she is on for a UTI. So far have been having to shove them down her throat - and then she gets a nice gob of peanut butter afterward for swallowing...

http://s146.photobucket.com/albums/r267/onestarfish/My%20Dog%20Pictures/Rody%20TPLO%2010-16-09/

She's using the leg about 40% of the time. Normal. Staples come out next Saturday. Her appetite is picking up again too, probably no more stomach upset from the meds.
:stinkwadup:
The Orthodogs group says it will take 6 months to heal fully. But at least I can let up on activity a little bit after the 12 weeks - 2 down, 10 to go...
:xx:

Belgrael
10-27-2009, 05:21 PM
Wow, her leg is looking soooo much better. That bruising was nasty :(.
So glad to hear she is improving too and not needing pain relief. Keep them for yourself when the frustration gets too much to bear :lol:

Mel2001
10-27-2009, 09:15 PM
Poor Rody Jane! Her shaved leg looks so tiny & skinny next to that stinkwad tail of hers....

nuthinflatranch
10-27-2009, 09:27 PM
she carefully licks off everything around them and then PTOOEY - out comes the pill. ................ So far have been having to shove them down her throat - and then she gets a nice gob of peanut butter afterward for swallowing...


Unless they are slow release ones, I powderize the pill and put THAT in to peanut butter. No way around it then!

littleroads
10-27-2009, 11:35 PM
No way around it then!

Oh, but there is...she has a bloodhound nose - she will sniff the peanut butter and walk away! She did that twice yesterday, that little stinkwad!!!
:devil:

fanofdmb84
10-28-2009, 01:13 PM
When I worked at the Referral Center we had a dog that ended up staying with us for a very long time...as in 2-3 months! (his owner didn't want to deal with his "recovery" herself...and even when she did get him home, she let him run wild and he came right back with lameness problems) He got very good at sniffing out pills and he wasn't exactly the kind of dog most people felt comfortable shoving pills down his throat (150lb GSD, he was enormous!). Anyway, we finally found something that he either didn't smell the pill in or just didn't care...Sour Cream & Onion vegi dip. I questioned the Doc about the onion content, but he reassured me that unless the dog was eating several onions a day, there wouldn't be any harm in it.
Crushed pills in PB can work too, but your best bet with that method is to slime it right on the roof of their mouth or even on their nose, so they don't have a choice but to lick it off. Believe me, I know what a pain it is to have to pill a dog who's got you totally figured out ;)

Belgrael
10-28-2009, 04:18 PM
Bud hates pills too and can sniff them out in most things but I alternate between peanut butter, Nutella and the new brand of Vegemite which is mixed with cream cheese. The smell of the Vegemite overwhelms any smell the tablets might put out. I know you can't get it over there unfortunately but you might have something similar. Vegemite is a yeast extract with really high Vitamin B and D content and is just the thing for a hangover or an upset tummy where you can't eat anything else. The dogs LOOOOVVVEEEE it!!

littleroads
12-17-2009, 08:10 PM
So Miss Roads had her 2-month post-TPLO surgery checkup. Doc says she is doing fantastic - better than average recovery. Leg looks solid, very little arthritis, and even the other leg has stabilized. One more month of leash-walks, and then she can fly again.

When we were driving home - she's in her Four Paws harness in the backseat, and all of a sudden, I hear a loud THWACK!!! THWACK!!! Here it's Miss Roads, lunging at the semi's and buses whenever they passed by us. It still amazes me that she can tell cars and SUV's from the larger vehicles - she totally ignores the former, and always tries to attack the latter. It's been awhile since I've taken her for a ride - I forgot she does that!

THWACK!!!:lol:

Bluerules
12-18-2009, 12:32 AM
So very glad for you guys!

jomarie6466
12-18-2009, 02:39 AM
So glad to hear that the road to recovery is going well!

Ngasha
12-18-2009, 12:58 PM
Arthritis is likely to form anywhere that has been damaged before. Mr. Arthur Itis is not racist or speciesist. And it is his time of year. The rimadyl or other antiinflammatory is likely to help. I just wish our older babies could tell us where and how they hurt. Miss Patchy just lies real still when she hurts--it is up to us to notice it and get out the tramadol (Rimadyl hurts Patchy's belly).

Blessings to your little ol' baby RJ, +4 Bentleys!:bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley:

littleroads
12-18-2009, 04:30 PM
Thanks all! She isn't showing any pain at all anymore. Well, she never really did show much, even though the vet said her meniscus was "shredded" and that she *should have* been in a lot of pain.
;)
She gets Triple Joint Max with a lot of glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM in it, and she will get that for the rest of her life, along with TwoLane for his hips.

Now if she can just keep from injuring that other knee...
:p:

Belgrael
12-18-2009, 05:13 PM
Fabulous update Ei! So glad to hear she is recovering as she should :pawup:

Katie
12-21-2009, 07:19 PM
We went through this with Chingu. He managed to not break the leg a second time but because he absolutely refused to rest no matter what we did he managed to infect the toes on his broken leg. At that point the vet put him on sedatives so the foot would heal. It was so sad for Chingu.

CKBozeman
12-22-2009, 05:45 PM
Oh my gosh, Eileen. I had no idea any of this was going on. I just read all 3 pages of this thread. Poor Rody Jane!
I'm glad that the TPLO was ultimately done. I don't know much about the extracapsilar (sp?) method or the "fishing line" method or the FHO but in my (& Lily's) experience, the TPLO was worth it. After a long, LONG recovery - they say 2-3 months... that's baloney!- Lily is as wild & crazy & spastic & most importantly sound as ever. I've heard very few incidents of dogs having major later trouble with the TPLO'ed knee. The other knee, however, is a whole nother issue...

About the foam bed topper you got - I ordered some heavy duty denim dog bed covers from amazon. You just stuff pillows in them and zip them up. I think it was like $18 for 2, or something like that. They wouldn't hold up to a serious chewer but are generally very durable.

Re: supplements.
I have been researching natural "pain killers" since the Previcox that Ruger and Lily are/were on is so expensive. It's good stuff though! Anyway, I've been giving fish oil and vitamin E with each meal (twice daily). Fish oil, as you know, is good for almost everything but it's also an anti-inflammitory. Lily (50#) gets about 2000mg/day of fish oil and about 400 IU of Vit E. (You are supposed to give fish oil with vit E. I forgot why...)
I get mine at Walgreens/CVS/etc - they always have buy one get one free.

Sorry about the length...
Glad to hear RJ is doing well!

CKB

littleroads
05-27-2010, 08:33 AM
Miss Roads is going in for x-rays tonite. She has torn her other ACL. :(

TwoLane just had hip surgery less than a month ago.

Surgery Central here.
:cry:

jrmgreer
05-27-2010, 09:31 AM
OMG!! Sending bentleys and prayers your way!!!!!!!!!!!!

lauralu
05-27-2010, 09:50 AM
Poor miss Roads and your poor wallet!!! I know just how you feel, this happened to Hayley. Unfortunately, when one ACL tears, I think it is 80% that the other one will...you are not alone. Not that that helps.

Hugs and pawrayers and bentleys!!!!

maikastar
05-27-2010, 09:51 AM
Oh no!
:bentley: blazing for her.

gwynkb
05-27-2010, 10:55 AM
two bentleys big time!!

fanofdmb84
05-27-2010, 11:54 AM
Oh Miss RJ! Bentley's for the whole family! :bentley:

Mel2001
05-27-2010, 12:10 PM
More Bentleys & prayers from SoCal for Miss Rody Jane and you. Her stinkwad tail is going to get extra curly from the additional crate rest she'll need. :::sigh:::

logan774
05-27-2010, 12:20 PM
Poor RJ!!! :bentley: Extra strength bentleys from Logan and a couple of faux bentleys from Kelly and Ali.

2speckledblue
05-27-2010, 07:46 PM
Oh no, not again:(

mlanger
05-27-2010, 07:57 PM
Oh poor Miss Roades-and with summer just starting too! :(
Bentleys shining for you and the stinkwad.
:bentley::bentley::bentley:
:bentley::bentley::bentley:

jomarie6466
05-27-2010, 10:27 PM
So sorry to hear this news. You and your doggers have been having a rough time lately. Sending healing thoughts and glowing Bentley's for you all.

havekissedfrogs
05-27-2010, 10:35 PM
Oh so sorry to hear that! :bentley::bentley: Bentleys glowing from here.

littleroads
05-27-2010, 10:53 PM
Yes, I think my wallet is in just about as much pain as she is! Took her for a drawer test and x-rays tonite; she definitely has a complete tear, and I'll be calling the ortho surgeon tomorrow to see when we can get her in. Meanwhile, she's on Rimadyl, and wanting to chase the cats, even on 3 legs.

Hubby says to make sure I ask for a quantity discount when I call.

sjmclain
05-27-2010, 11:06 PM
Oh no! Oh Eileen, that's terrible. How many times has she done this now? Maybe you just need to get Rody a doggy wheelchair so she can't use her back legs... ;)

Bentleys lit here that her surgery won't be too painful or expensive! :bentley:

littleroads
05-27-2010, 11:08 PM
We're going right for the TPLO this time - no fishline, she tore that almost right away last time. She is now the "Soon-to-be Totally Bionic Formerly Flying Stinkwad"...

EJA
05-28-2010, 02:06 AM
Bentleys from here and sympathy for you, Formerly Flying Stinkwad, and your wallet.

autiger23
05-28-2010, 02:22 AM
Man, so sorry to hear that Ei! :( At least with her all bionic you won't have to worry about it happening since it always seems to once they lose one.

Beth99
05-28-2010, 02:35 AM
So sorry Eileen!! Prayers and Bentley's for a quick recovery so that she can be the Totally Bionic Flying Stinkwad.

littleroads
05-28-2010, 12:44 PM
Miss Roads goes in for consultation on Tuesday afternoon and stays overnight for early Wednesday surgery. I can pick her up Thursday afternoon. That will be a hard 2 days without her. She won't like it either. I'll have to send something along with her that smells like home.

Poor little girl - she didn't sleep AT ALL last night, and neither did I. Zero. Zip. Nada. She was whining and didn't want to lay down at all. I gave her a Rimadyl but it didn't seem to do much. Took her outside a couple of times, she didn't want to "go"...only time she was quiet was when I laid on the floor with her and tried the T-Touch thing... I have trouble sleeping on the floor though (she had her padded bed). So I will be zombie-like later today, I'm sure!

We are going camping this weekend, and plans are still on, we just won't be doing any hiking, and she will be right with me (reading books around the campfire) every minute. It should provide a diversion for her, some different scenery at least than being cooped up in the house. Plus the fresh air will tucker her out for Tuesday, so maybe she won't miss me so much.

Thursday seems like a long ways away...
:(

Please keep those Bentleys glowing for my little Bionic Stinkwad! (And for TwoLane, who's still recovering!)
:bentley:

KAKZooKpr
05-28-2010, 01:28 PM
Aww! Poor thing! :( Bentleys glowing here for a quick & uneventful recovery. :bentley::bentley::bentley: (1 real, 2 faux)

Kristina

autiger23
05-28-2010, 03:59 PM
Ei, are you allowed to put ice or heat on it to make it feel better? Maybe she'd let you hold a compress on it gently for a bit? Not sure cold is allowed with they type of injury, but if it numbed a little maybe she'd (and then you'd) sleep better.

littleroads
05-28-2010, 04:06 PM
Nope, she won't stand for heat or ice packs. No go, won't stand (sit/lay) for it!

Belgrael
05-28-2010, 04:08 PM
Ei, I am so sorry to hear of RJ's new injury :( Some years we just never seem to have time to recover from one thing before another comes along. I will be thinking of you both when she goes in for her surgery and will be lighting bentleys that it goes well. How is TwoLane?

ekornak
05-28-2010, 05:39 PM
Good luck Eileen & Miss RJ! Sorry to hear about her (other) ACL... yikes.

Bentleys here :bentley::bentley::bentley::bentley:

littleroads
06-02-2010, 01:18 PM
Just heard from the vet. She's out of surgery and still pretty loopy; I'll be picking her up tomorrow early afternoon. She had a complete ACL tear, however the meniscus is still in decent shape. Surgeon said she shouldn't have a problem with that since the joint will be stabilized now.

Thankfully, she was having surgery during the thunderstorm we just had, so she wasn't awake to be scared of it. She'll be pretty loopy for the rest of the day, but should be pretty bright and alert tomorrow. And ready to chase squirrels.
:duh!:
I'll be very glad to get my little bionic stinkwad back.:) THANK YOU for all the glowing Bentleys on her behalf!:pawup:

Belgrael
06-02-2010, 03:54 PM
So glad it went well Ei, that is a huge relief. I know you can't wait til you get her back home again with you. Good luck with the recovery process and preventing her from driving you stircrazy LOL

Beth99
06-02-2010, 04:01 PM
Glad to hear that the surgery went well and that she will be home soon. :) Will keep bentleys glowing for a swift recovery.

Give RJ a gentle get well hug for me. :)

littleroads
06-03-2010, 04:38 PM
Miss Roads is home and resting. She has a Fentanyl patch that stays on until Sunday. The fun begins in an hour when I'm supposed to give her 3 pills...HAHA...

She's already peed and pooped, so we're good there for awhile. I expect she won't have much of an appetite for a few days.

Her Thundershirt also came today, so she is wearing that as well to get used to it. We're supposed to have thunderstorms tonight and also tomorrow while I am at work, so I want her to be used to the shirt so I can leave it on her while I'm gone. I hope it will help!

So far so good...

littleroads
06-06-2010, 04:05 PM
Today we had to take the Fentanyl patch off. Them suckers don't come off easy! She yelped. Ugh.

KAKZooKpr
06-06-2010, 04:26 PM
Her Thundershirt also came today, so she is wearing that as well to get used to it. We're supposed to have thunderstorms tonight and also tomorrow while I am at work, so I want her to be used to the shirt so I can leave it on her while I'm gone. I hope it will help!

So far so good...

Let me know how you think it works. Patches has a bit of anxiety over thunder. I also looked up the website & it says it's good for travel anxiety too which Ivy has. If you think the shirt works I'd give it a try.

Kristina

littleroads
06-06-2010, 06:06 PM
Well, we haven't had an actual storm with THUNDER yet since we got the shirt, but it has rained hard - which in the past has made her nervous as well. But with her shirt on, she slept the whole night through. Not sure yet if it was the shirt or the drugs from her surgery! But I'd like to think it helped, and I'll post again after we do have a major storm.

I was impressed with it when I got it, it's well-made and very comfortable, she did not mind having it on one bit. So far, paws up.
:D

KAKZooKpr
06-06-2010, 06:31 PM
Sounds promising! :)

Kristina

Beth99
06-06-2010, 06:42 PM
YAY!! That's great Ei, that does sound promising.